UNC and Duke

[Biggin]

I'm saying just because UK is having a better year, does not mean Calipari is better than Williams...neither of them suck, they are both really good coaches in their own right, but Williams has accomplished a lot more and is consistently better than most coaches/programs

how exactly is Williams consistently better?
Cal has never been at a high profile program until this year, how can you even compare the two accomplishments?

He has coached at UNC and KU, its pretty tough to lose there.

Whereas Cal has won at UMass, Memphis, and so far Kentucky.

Answer me this:

Is it harder to win at Seton Hall or UCLA?

[pvfan]

I'm not high on Roy but Roy>Coach Cal. When Coach Cal makes the final four and it's not stripped a couple years later come talk to me, until then he's a cheat. It's like comparing McGwire to Marris to me, one is better, but they cheated, the other is solid and legit.

[Biggin]

Calapari has never done anything wrong. Its not fair to say that. He was never the cause of any sanctions, and thats a fact. Look it up

[yankeebaseball]

I'm not high on Roy but Roy>Coach Cal. When Coach Cal makes the final four and it's not stripped a couple years later come talk to me, until then he's a cheat. It's like comparing McGwire to Marris to me, one is better, but they cheated, the other is solid and legit.

I wonder how often those coaches really know about a kid. If he is cleared to play to their knowledge can they be at fault? How many things get over looked? How many disgruntled people does it take before something is dug up?

I am not saying he is clean, granted to get kids at UMASS and Memphis, I dont see how he didint pay them straight cash homie. However look at all other sports and programs, USC, Miami, FSU etc, all scandal involed at those programs.

Point I am making, Cal, like Pitino, now at an elite school, he wont have to worry about those things. The players will come for exposure and for what he can do to help them get into the NBA, one and done, two and done, etc. Thats the nature of the game, all programs have those. Look at what Wright at UNC a couple years ago, and well, I dont think DUKE has had anyone one and done in a while, I may be wrong. Players leave early and you cant begrudge someone for that. If someone offered me 2.3 mill after my first year at UVA Wise to read books, hell Id left.

[pvfan]

Calapari has never done anything wrong. Its not fair to say that. He was never the cause of any sanctions, and thats a fact. Look it up

You can believe that if you wish.

[pvfan]

I wonder how often those coaches really know about a kid. If he is cleared to play to their knowledge can they be at fault? How many things get over looked? How many disgruntled people does it take before something is dug up?

I am not saying he is clean, granted to get kids at UMASS and Memphis, I dont see how he didint pay them straight cash homie. However look at all other sports and programs, USC, Miami, FSU etc, all scandal involed at those programs.

Point I am making, Cal, like Pitino, now at an elite school, he wont have to worry about those things. The players will come for exposure and for what he can do to help them get into the NBA, one and done, two and done, etc. Thats the nature of the game, all programs have those. Look at what Wright at UNC a couple years ago, and well, I dont think DUKE has had anyone one and done in a while, I may be wrong. Players leave early and you cant begrudge someone for that. If someone offered me 2.3 mill after my first year at UVA Wise to read books, hell Id left.

Paging Eddie Sutton.

[yankeebaseball]

I know you know a lot of sports, I hope you know all of what happend then. Eddie Sutton was the man who set UK back 25 years. His own selfishness with his own son, caused his downfall. No scandal with Joe B Hall, No Scandal with Pitino, No scandal even with Tubby, cause Tubby was happy gettin Jack In the Box all Americans while the rest of the teams got all americans. I dont know many things, I dont know a lot about various sports teams, but I know a lot about UK and the Yankees. Sutton almost gave UK the death sentence, if it werent for Pitino and Jamal Mashburn, UK may have never recovered.

[Biggin]

my point was that he himself was never involved in any of this

memphis wasnt even cash from boosters or agents, it was something with a test, right?

how can calapari be blamed for that?

marcus camby took money and **** at umass, and you think it was calapari handing it out?
the kids do this, the high powered boosters do this, and its not 1975 anymore, the coaches cannot simply be involved in this kinda mess anymore, so yeah, i really do believe calapari was never the main cause of sanctions at a school.

[Biggin]

im not even close to a uk fan and im defending calapari, doesnt that count for something?

[gcdevil22]

I'm not close to a UNC fan and I'm defending Williams

to say Calipari hasn't done anything wrong is just naive or turning a blind eye

please, look up William "Worldwide Wes" Wesley...Calipari's involvement with this guy alone is wrong in and of itself, but Calipari skirts the NCAA by giving money to Wesley, since Wesley is not a family member of a recruited athlete and not involved with an NCAA member institution directly, the NCAA cannot make him turn over his bank records to build a case

Wesley has represented:

DaJuan Wagner
Derrick Rose
Tyreke Evans
DeMarcus Cousins

and

dun dun dun....Josh Selby, who will most likely be picking UK

what do all of those guys have in common? all Calipari players

Calipari is EASILY one of the top 3 shady coaches in the nation...

the notion that because Calipari is now at UK that he won't have to make those kinds of deals is silly...William Wesley is not a guy you just "stop dealing with" you either play ball or he'll freeze you out